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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">tja stel da ik je nu gelijk geef,
      kunnen we de discussie dan voortaan op wat meer besloten lijsten
      houden en anders in de BV of LR behandelen die wekelijks
      plaatsvinden en openbaar zijn, informatie over mumble staat op de
      wiki.<br>
      <br>
      Groet, Raymond<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre>
      On 25-9-2013 18:55, roberto aka robske wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAOXUHScQjnUurni-3QmeRC-n7bZat-24u+ra1-A8-0wpVdYEFQ@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">Verschil van gezichtspunt.
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        </div>
        <div>Er is geen exacte definitie van kwaadaardigheid. Het is
          relatief aan welke dingen er bekend zijn bij je, je verteld
          zijn en je eigen ervaringen. Dit betekent niet dat dit dan de
          absolute definitie van kwaadaardigheid of goedaardigheid is.
          Echter is er meer dan 2000 jaren lang al propaganda die je
          wilt overtuigen dat er harde definities van kwaadaardigheid en
          goedaardigheid zijn.</div>
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        <div>Dit is trouwens vaak ook een moeilijk veld in ethiek ;) En
          moet dan ook casus per casus bekeken worden door een neutraal
          persoon.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/25 Biervat <span dir="ltr"><<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:piraatbiervat@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatbiervat@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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              <div>wanneer je zon shitstorm op de algemene mailinglijst
                plaatst ben je niet reasonable, dan beschadig je
                doelbewust de partij.
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                  <br>
                  <pre cols="72">Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre>
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                  <div class="h5"> On 25-9-2013 18:48, roberto aka
                    robske wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Nee, Samir en jij zijn beide
                      "reasonable". Dat jullie elkaar niet echt mogen
                      staat daar los van.</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/25 Biervat <span
                          dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:piraatbiervat@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">piraatbiervat@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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                            <div>misschien moet ik dat dan ook maar niet
                              met jou proberen te doen.
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                                <pre cols="72">Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre>
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                                <div> On 25-9-2013 18:46, Core TX wrote:<br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr"><a
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href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/prescriptions-life/201201/dont-try-reason-unreasonable-people"
                                      target="_blank">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/prescriptions-life/201201/dont-try-reason-unreasonable-people</a>\<br>
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                                    <div>Lees regel 1 :)</div>
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                                    <div class="gmail_quote">Op 25
                                      september 2013 18:40 schreef
                                      roberto aka robske <span
                                        dir="ltr"><<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:evilteddyxl@gmail.com"
                                          target="_blank">evilteddyxl@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                        <div dir="ltr">Tijd om maar eens
                                          die bestuursvergadering te
                                          enteren met zwaard in de hand?</div>
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                                              <div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/25

                                                Caspar Safarlou <span
                                                  dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:safarlou@live.nl" target="_blank">safarlou@live.nl</a>></span><br>
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                                                    <div dir="ltr">ARRRR!<br>
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                                                        <hr>Date: Wed,
                                                        25 Sep 2013
                                                        18:32:06 +0200<br>
                                                        From: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:piraatbiervat@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatbiervat@gmail.com</a><br>
                                                        To: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
                                                        Subject: Re:
                                                        [Algemeen]
                                                        Verzoek voor
                                                        PoepStorm.
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                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>komop
                                                          man, kap hier
                                                          toch eens mee.<br>
                                                          Vraag het
                                                          desnoods
                                                          straks in de
                                                          bestuursvergadering
                                                          maar hou toch
                                                          eens op met
                                                          deze onzin. <br>
                                                          De LR is toch
                                                          al van plan om
                                                          namens de
                                                          gehele LR iets
                                                          in te dienen.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          hou maar
                                                          gewoon even op
                                                          met
                                                          aandachtzoeken,
                                                          dat doe je
                                                          maar vanavond
                                                          bij de
                                                          bestuursvergadering.<br>
                                                          <pre>Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre>
                                                          On 25-9-2013
                                                          18:25, Core TX
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Geachte
                                                          Leden van
                                                          PiratenPartij
                                                          Nederland,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Reeds 22
                                                          September, en
                                                          een aantal
                                                          data in het
                                                          verleden heeft
                                                          *een*
                                                          Ledenraad lid
                                                          de volgende
                                                          <div>vragen
                                                          aan het
                                                          bestuur
                                                          voorgelegd.</div>
                                                          <div> <br>
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                                                          <div>Geacht
                                                          Bestuur en
                                                          Penningmeester,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Aangezien u
                                                          tot op heden
                                                          heeft verzuimd
                                                          om een
                                                          voorstel
                                                          begroting 2013
                                                          voor te leggen
                                                          aan de
                                                          ledenraad
                                                          verzoek ik u
                                                          mij te
                                                          voorzien van
                                                          een financieel
                                                          overzicht van
                                                          de huidige
                                                          financiele
                                                          stand van
                                                          zaken,
                                                          waaronder ik
                                                          het volgende
                                                          wil terugzien:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <ol>
                                                          <li>Huidig
                                                          saldo van onze
                                                          bankrekeningen
                                                          1083.78.969 en
                                                          1729.29.105</li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van alle
                                                          contracten die
                                                          wij in 2013
                                                          zijn aangegaan
                                                          namens de
                                                          Piratenpartij
                                                          waaraan we nu
                                                          vast zitten.
                                                          Inclusief de
                                                          maandelijkse
                                                          lasten en de
                                                          opzegtermijn
                                                          van deze
                                                          contracten.<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van eventuele
                                                          nieuwe
                                                          bankrekeningen
                                                          die zijn
                                                          geopend op
                                                          naam van de
                                                          Piratenpartij
                                                          het saldo en
                                                          jaarlijkse
                                                          kosten
                                                          hiervan.<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van onze
                                                          huidige
                                                          bitcoin saldo
                                                          (en overzicht
                                                          gemaakte
                                                          transacties)<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van onze
                                                          huidige paypal
                                                          saldo (en
                                                          overzicht
                                                          gemaakte
                                                          transacties)<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van onkosten
                                                          gemaakt voor
                                                          de partij en
                                                          waarvoor
                                                          (drukwerk,
                                                          reizen e.d.)</li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van nog
                                                          openstaande
                                                          rekeningen en
                                                          schulden die
                                                          nog niet zijn
                                                          afgelost en
                                                          wanneer ze
                                                          uiterlijk
                                                          afgelost
                                                          moeten worden.</li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          Graag
                                                          uiterlijk op
                                                          woensdag 25
                                                          september 2013
                                                          voor 23:00u
                                                          deze vragen
                                                          naar WAARHEID
                                                          te
                                                          beantwoorden.</div>
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Nu is aan
                                                          U het verzoek
                                                          om een interne
                                                          rel te trappen
                                                          binnen de
                                                          partij wanneer
                                                          de data niet
                                                          voor 23:00 is
                                                          overlegd.</div>
                                                          <div>Het zou
                                                          de partij
                                                          immers grote
                                                          schade doen
                                                          wanneer het
                                                          Ledenraad lid
                                                          dat de
                                                          bovenstaande
                                                          vragen aan het
                                                          bestuur heeft
                                                          gericht naar
                                                          de rechtbank
                                                          stapt.</div>
                                                          <div>Dit is
                                                          iets wat ik
                                                          middels deze
                                                          mail wens te
                                                          voorkomen.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Vriendelijke

                                                          groet,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Samir Allioui</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          </div>
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                                              Roberto Moretti<br>
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                                              PPNL Member & Indie
                                              Games Developer.<br>
                                              @robskemoretti<br>
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                      -- <br>
                      Roberto Moretti<br>
                      <br>
                      PPNL Member & Indie Games Developer.<br>
                      @robskemoretti<br>
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        <br>
        PPNL Member & Indie Games Developer.<br>
        @robskemoretti<br>
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