<div dir="ltr">Verschil van gezichtspunt.<div><br></div><div>Er is geen exacte definitie van kwaadaardigheid. Het is relatief aan welke dingen er bekend zijn bij je, je verteld zijn en je eigen ervaringen. Dit betekent niet dat dit dan de absolute definitie van kwaadaardigheid of goedaardigheid is. Echter is er meer dan 2000 jaren lang al propaganda die je wilt overtuigen dat er harde definities van kwaadaardigheid en goedaardigheid zijn.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Dit is trouwens vaak ook een moeilijk veld in ethiek ;) En moet dan ook casus per casus bekeken worden door een neutraal persoon.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/25 Biervat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piraatbiervat@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatbiervat@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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    <div>wanneer je zon shitstorm op de algemene
      mailinglijst plaatst ben je niet reasonable, dan beschadig je
      doelbewust de partij.<div class="im"><br>
      <br>
      <pre cols="72">Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre></div><div><div class="h5">
      On 25-9-2013 18:48, roberto aka robske wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Nee, Samir en jij zijn beide "reasonable". Dat
        jullie elkaar niet echt mogen staat daar los van.</div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/25 Biervat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piraatbiervat@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatbiervat@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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              <div>misschien moet ik dat dan ook maar niet met jou
                proberen te doen.
                <div><br>
                  <pre cols="72">Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre>
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                  <div> On 25-9-2013 18:46, Core TX wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/prescriptions-life/201201/dont-try-reason-unreasonable-people" target="_blank">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/prescriptions-life/201201/dont-try-reason-unreasonable-people</a>\<br>

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                      <div>Lees regel 1 :)</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">Op 25 september 2013
                        18:40 schreef roberto aka robske <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:evilteddyxl@gmail.com" target="_blank">evilteddyxl@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Tijd om maar eens die
                            bestuursvergadering te enteren met zwaard in
                            de hand?</div>
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/25
                                  Caspar Safarlou <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:safarlou@live.nl" target="_blank">safarlou@live.nl</a>></span><br>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">ARRRR!<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <div>
                                          <hr>Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013
                                          18:32:06 +0200<br>
                                          From: <a href="mailto:piraatbiervat@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatbiervat@gmail.com</a><br>
                                          To: <a href="mailto:algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
                                          Subject: Re: [Algemeen]
                                          Verzoek voor PoepStorm.
                                          <div>
                                            <div><br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div>komop man, kap hier
                                                toch eens mee.<br>
                                                Vraag het desnoods
                                                straks in de
                                                bestuursvergadering maar
                                                hou toch eens op met
                                                deze onzin. <br>
                                                De LR is toch al van
                                                plan om namens de gehele
                                                LR iets in te dienen.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                hou maar gewoon even op
                                                met aandachtzoeken, dat
                                                doe je maar vanavond bij
                                                de bestuursvergadering.<br>
                                                <pre>Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre>
                                                On 25-9-2013 18:25, Core
                                                TX wrote:<br>
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                                                <div dir="ltr">
                                                  <div>Geachte Leden van
                                                    PiratenPartij
                                                    Nederland,</div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  Reeds 22 September, en
                                                  een aantal data in het
                                                  verleden heeft *een*
                                                  Ledenraad lid de
                                                  volgende
                                                  <div>vragen aan het
                                                    bestuur voorgelegd.</div>
                                                  <div> <br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>###################################################################</div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <blockquote style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Geacht
                                                          Bestuur en
                                                          Penningmeester,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Aangezien u
                                                          tot op heden
                                                          heeft verzuimd
                                                          om een
                                                          voorstel
                                                          begroting 2013
                                                          voor te leggen
                                                          aan de
                                                          ledenraad
                                                          verzoek ik u
                                                          mij te
                                                          voorzien van
                                                          een financieel
                                                          overzicht van
                                                          de huidige
                                                          financiele
                                                          stand van
                                                          zaken,
                                                          waaronder ik
                                                          het volgende
                                                          wil terugzien:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <ol>
                                                          <li>Huidig
                                                          saldo van onze
                                                          bankrekeningen
                                                          1083.78.969 en
                                                          1729.29.105</li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van alle
                                                          contracten die
                                                          wij in 2013
                                                          zijn aangegaan
                                                          namens de
                                                          Piratenpartij
                                                          waaraan we nu
                                                          vast zitten.
                                                          Inclusief de
                                                          maandelijkse
                                                          lasten en de
                                                          opzegtermijn
                                                          van deze
                                                          contracten.<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van eventuele
                                                          nieuwe
                                                          bankrekeningen
                                                          die zijn
                                                          geopend op
                                                          naam van de
                                                          Piratenpartij
                                                          het saldo en
                                                          jaarlijkse
                                                          kosten
                                                          hiervan.<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van onze
                                                          huidige
                                                          bitcoin saldo
                                                          (en overzicht
                                                          gemaakte
                                                          transacties)<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van onze
                                                          huidige paypal
                                                          saldo (en
                                                          overzicht
                                                          gemaakte
                                                          transacties)<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van onkosten
                                                          gemaakt voor
                                                          de partij en
                                                          waarvoor
                                                          (drukwerk,
                                                          reizen e.d.)</li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van nog
                                                          openstaande
                                                          rekeningen en
                                                          schulden die
                                                          nog niet zijn
                                                          afgelost en
                                                          wanneer ze
                                                          uiterlijk
                                                          afgelost
                                                          moeten worden.</li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          Graag
                                                          uiterlijk op
                                                          woensdag 25
                                                          september 2013
                                                          voor 23:00u
                                                          deze vragen
                                                          naar WAARHEID
                                                          te
                                                          beantwoorden.</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">###################################################</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Nu is aan
                                                          U het verzoek
                                                          om een interne
                                                          rel te trappen
                                                          binnen de
                                                          partij wanneer
                                                          de data niet
                                                          voor 23:00 is
                                                          overlegd.</div>
                                                          <div>Het zou
                                                          de partij
                                                          immers grote
                                                          schade doen
                                                          wanneer het
                                                          Ledenraad lid
                                                          dat de
                                                          bovenstaande
                                                          vragen aan het
                                                          bestuur heeft
                                                          gericht naar
                                                          de rechtbank
                                                          stapt.</div>
                                                          <div>Dit is
                                                          iets wat ik
                                                          middels deze
                                                          mail wens te
                                                          voorkomen.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Vriendelijke
                                                          groet,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Samir Allioui</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </blockquote>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <br>
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                                                <br>
                                                <pre>_______________________________________________
Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij
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</pre>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              _______________________________________________
Algemeen

                                              discussielijst |
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                                              <a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a></div>
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                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                    <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                    Algemeen discussielijst |
                                    Piratenpartij<br>
                                    <a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
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                                    <br>
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                            </div>
                            <span><font color="#888888">-- <br>
                                Roberto Moretti<br>
                                <br>
                                PPNL Member & Indie Games Developer.<br>
                                @robskemoretti<br>
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                          <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                          Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij<br>
                          <a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
                          <a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a><br>
                          <br>
                        </blockquote>
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                      <br>
                    </div>
                    <br>
                    <fieldset></fieldset>
                    <br>
                    <pre>_______________________________________________
Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij
<a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a>
<a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a>
</pre>
                  </blockquote>
                  <br>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <br>
            _______________________________________________<br>
            Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij<br>
            <a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
            <a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a><br>
            <br>
          </blockquote>
        </div>
        <br>
        <br clear="all">
        <div><br>
        </div>
        -- <br>
        Roberto Moretti<br>
        <br>
        PPNL Member & Indie Games Developer.<br>
        @robskemoretti<br>
      </div>
      <br>
      <fieldset></fieldset>
      <br>
      <pre>_______________________________________________
Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij
<a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a>
<a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a>
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
  </div></div></div>

<br>_______________________________________________<br>
Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij<br>
<a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Roberto Moretti<br><br>PPNL Member & Indie Games Developer.<br>@robskemoretti<br>
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