<div dir="ltr">Net zoals bij de Ledenraad mumble vergaderingen ben ik ook hierbij verhinderd. Persoonlijke omstandigheden.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/25 Biervat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piraatbiervat@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatbiervat@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    <div>over 3 kwartier is de BV, je bent
      welkom<div class="im"><br>
      <pre cols="72">Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre></div><div><div class="h5">
      On 25-9-2013 19:18, roberto aka robske wrote:<br>
    </div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">Omdat de processen zelf niet enige respons krijgen
        behalve als het in hun voordeel is.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Er zijn niet voor niks wettelijke termijnen aan dit soort
          zaken verbonden. Deze zijn nu al voor een flink aantal zaken
          ruimschoots overtreden.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Bij deze wil ik dan ook even een toepasselijke gamers meme
          erin gooien dan: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWOW3SdpRDo" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWOW3SdpRDo</a></div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra">
        <br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/25 Biervat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piraatbiervat@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatbiervat@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
              <div>jamaargoed, iedere keer constant met deze idioterie
                geconfronteerd worden buiten processen om slurpt energie
                op. het hoort gewoon in de vergaderingen thuis.
                <div><br>
                  <pre cols="72">Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <div> On 25-9-2013 19:10, roberto aka
                    robske wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">Die discussies vinden daar al
                      maandenlang plaats zonder gewenst resultaat voor
                      deze personen. Bij gebrek aan een acceptabel
                      compromis of resultaat zullen mensen gefrustreerd
                      raken. En uit frustratie doen die mensen dan vaak
                      een shitstorm ontketenen.
                      <div> <br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Dit wordt natuurlijk dan niet in dank
                        afgenomen, maar het doet niks af aan de
                        validiteit van de vragen.</div>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                      <br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/25 Biervat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piraatbiervat@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatbiervat@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                            <div>tja stel da ik je nu gelijk geef,
                              kunnen we de discussie dan voortaan op wat
                              meer besloten lijsten houden en anders in
                              de BV of LR behandelen die wekelijks
                              plaatsvinden en openbaar zijn, informatie
                              over mumble staat op de wiki.<br>
                              <br>
                              Groet, Raymond
                              <div><br>
                                <pre cols="72">Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div> On 25-9-2013 18:55, roberto aka
                                  robske wrote:<br>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div dir="ltr">Verschil van
                                    gezichtspunt.
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Er is geen exacte definitie van
                                      kwaadaardigheid. Het is relatief
                                      aan welke dingen er bekend zijn
                                      bij je, je verteld zijn en je
                                      eigen ervaringen. Dit betekent
                                      niet dat dit dan de absolute
                                      definitie van kwaadaardigheid of
                                      goedaardigheid is. Echter is er
                                      meer dan 2000 jaren lang al
                                      propaganda die je wilt overtuigen
                                      dat er harde definities van
                                      kwaadaardigheid en goedaardigheid
                                      zijn.</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Dit is trouwens vaak ook een
                                      moeilijk veld in ethiek ;) En moet
                                      dan ook casus per casus bekeken
                                      worden door een neutraal persoon.</div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/25
                                      Biervat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piraatbiervat@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatbiervat@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                        <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                                          <div>wanneer je zon shitstorm
                                            op de algemene mailinglijst
                                            plaatst ben je niet
                                            reasonable, dan beschadig je
                                            doelbewust de partij.
                                            <div><br>
                                              <br>
                                              <pre cols="72">Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div> On 25-9-2013 18:48,
                                                roberto aka robske
                                                wrote:<br>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                                <div dir="ltr">Nee,
                                                  Samir en jij zijn
                                                  beide "reasonable".
                                                  Dat jullie elkaar niet
                                                  echt mogen staat daar
                                                  los van.</div>
                                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/25

                                                    Biervat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piraatbiervat@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatbiervat@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                      <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                                                        <div>misschien
                                                          moet ik dat
                                                          dan ook maar
                                                          niet met jou
                                                          proberen te
                                                          doen.
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <pre cols="72">Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div> On
                                                          25-9-2013
                                                          18:46, Core TX
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/prescriptions-life/201201/dont-try-reason-unreasonable-people" target="_blank">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/prescriptions-life/201201/dont-try-reason-unreasonable-people</a>\<br>

                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Lees
                                                          regel 1 :)</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">Op

                                                          25 september
                                                          2013 18:40
                                                          schreef
                                                          roberto aka
                                                          robske <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:evilteddyxl@gmail.com" target="_blank">evilteddyxl@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Tijd

                                                          om maar eens
                                                          die
                                                          bestuursvergadering
                                                          te enteren met
                                                          zwaard in de
                                                          hand?</div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/25



                                                          Caspar
                                                          Safarlou <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:safarlou@live.nl" target="_blank">safarlou@live.nl</a>></span><br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">ARRRR!<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <hr>Date: Wed,
                                                          25 Sep 2013
                                                          18:32:06 +0200<br>
                                                          From: <a href="mailto:piraatbiervat@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatbiervat@gmail.com</a><br>
                                                          To: <a href="mailto:algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          [Algemeen]
                                                          Verzoek voor
                                                          PoepStorm.
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>komop
                                                          man, kap hier
                                                          toch eens mee.<br>
                                                          Vraag het
                                                          desnoods
                                                          straks in de
                                                          bestuursvergadering
                                                          maar hou toch
                                                          eens op met
                                                          deze onzin. <br>
                                                          De LR is toch
                                                          al van plan om
                                                          namens de
                                                          gehele LR iets
                                                          in te dienen.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          hou maar
                                                          gewoon even op
                                                          met
                                                          aandachtzoeken,
                                                          dat doe je
                                                          maar vanavond
                                                          bij de
                                                          bestuursvergadering.<br>
                                                          <pre>Biervat
"vrijwilligers werk is ook werk, hup aan t werk"</pre>
                                                          On 25-9-2013
                                                          18:25, Core TX
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Geachte
                                                          Leden van
                                                          PiratenPartij
                                                          Nederland,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Reeds 22
                                                          September, en
                                                          een aantal
                                                          data in het
                                                          verleden heeft
                                                          *een*
                                                          Ledenraad lid
                                                          de volgende
                                                          <div>vragen
                                                          aan het
                                                          bestuur
                                                          voorgelegd.</div>
                                                          <div> <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>###################################################################</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <blockquote style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Geacht
                                                          Bestuur en
                                                          Penningmeester,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Aangezien u
                                                          tot op heden
                                                          heeft verzuimd
                                                          om een
                                                          voorstel
                                                          begroting 2013
                                                          voor te leggen
                                                          aan de
                                                          ledenraad
                                                          verzoek ik u
                                                          mij te
                                                          voorzien van
                                                          een financieel
                                                          overzicht van
                                                          de huidige
                                                          financiele
                                                          stand van
                                                          zaken,
                                                          waaronder ik
                                                          het volgende
                                                          wil terugzien:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <ol>
                                                          <li>Huidig
                                                          saldo van onze
                                                          bankrekeningen
                                                          1083.78.969 en
                                                          1729.29.105</li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van alle
                                                          contracten die
                                                          wij in 2013
                                                          zijn aangegaan
                                                          namens de
                                                          Piratenpartij
                                                          waaraan we nu
                                                          vast zitten.
                                                          Inclusief de
                                                          maandelijkse
                                                          lasten en de
                                                          opzegtermijn
                                                          van deze
                                                          contracten.<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van eventuele
                                                          nieuwe
                                                          bankrekeningen
                                                          die zijn
                                                          geopend op
                                                          naam van de
                                                          Piratenpartij
                                                          het saldo en
                                                          jaarlijkse
                                                          kosten
                                                          hiervan.<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van onze
                                                          huidige
                                                          bitcoin saldo
                                                          (en overzicht
                                                          gemaakte
                                                          transacties)<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van onze
                                                          huidige paypal
                                                          saldo (en
                                                          overzicht
                                                          gemaakte
                                                          transacties)<br>
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van onkosten
                                                          gemaakt voor
                                                          de partij en
                                                          waarvoor
                                                          (drukwerk,
                                                          reizen e.d.)</li>
                                                          <li>Overzicht
                                                          van nog
                                                          openstaande
                                                          rekeningen en
                                                          schulden die
                                                          nog niet zijn
                                                          afgelost en
                                                          wanneer ze
                                                          uiterlijk
                                                          afgelost
                                                          moeten worden.</li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          Graag
                                                          uiterlijk op
                                                          woensdag 25
                                                          september 2013
                                                          voor 23:00u
                                                          deze vragen
                                                          naar WAARHEID
                                                          te
                                                          beantwoorden.</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">###################################################</div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Nu is aan
                                                          U het verzoek
                                                          om een interne
                                                          rel te trappen
                                                          binnen de
                                                          partij wanneer
                                                          de data niet
                                                          voor 23:00 is
                                                          overlegd.</div>
                                                          <div>Het zou
                                                          de partij
                                                          immers grote
                                                          schade doen
                                                          wanneer het
                                                          Ledenraad lid
                                                          dat de
                                                          bovenstaande
                                                          vragen aan het
                                                          bestuur heeft
                                                          gericht naar
                                                          de rechtbank
                                                          stapt.</div>
                                                          <div>Dit is
                                                          iets wat ik
                                                          middels deze
                                                          mail wens te
                                                          voorkomen.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Vriendelijke



                                                          groet,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Samir Allioui</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <fieldset></fieldset>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <pre>_______________________________________________
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</pre>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          discussielijst
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                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          discussielijst
                                                          |
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                                                          <br>
                                                          <br clear="all">
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <span><font color="#888888">--


                                                          <br>
                                                          Roberto
                                                          Moretti<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          PPNL Member
                                                          & Indie
                                                          Games
                                                          Developer.<br>
                                                          @robskemoretti<br>
                                                          </font></span></div>
                                                          <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                          Algemeen
                                                          discussielijst
                                                          |
                                                          Piratenpartij<br>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <fieldset></fieldset>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <pre>_______________________________________________
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                                                      discussielijst |
                                                      Piratenpartij<br>
                                                      <a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
                                                      <a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a><br>
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                                                  -- <br>
                                                  Roberto Moretti<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  PPNL Member &
                                                  Indie Games Developer.<br>
                                                  @robskemoretti<br>
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Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij
<a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a>
<a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a>
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                                        Algemeen discussielijst |
                                        Piratenpartij<br>
                                        <a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
                                        <a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a><br>
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                                    <br clear="all">
                                    <div><br>
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                                    -- <br>
                                    Roberto Moretti<br>
                                    <br>
                                    PPNL Member & Indie Games
                                    Developer.<br>
                                    @robskemoretti<br>
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                                  <br>
                                  <pre>_______________________________________________
Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij
<a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a>
<a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a>
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                          Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij<br>
                          <a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
                          <a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a><br>
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                      <br>
                      <br clear="all">
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      -- <br>
                      Roberto Moretti<br>
                      <br>
                      PPNL Member & Indie Games Developer.<br>
                      @robskemoretti<br>
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                    <br>
                    <pre>_______________________________________________
Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij
<a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a>
<a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a>
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            Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij<br>
            <a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
            <a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a><br>
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          </blockquote>
        </div>
        <br>
        <br clear="all">
        <div><br>
        </div>
        -- <br>
        Roberto Moretti<br>
        <br>
        PPNL Member & Indie Games Developer.<br>
        @robskemoretti<br>
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      <br>
      <pre>_______________________________________________
Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij
<a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a>
<a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a>
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Algemeen discussielijst | Piratenpartij<br>
<a href="mailto:Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl">Algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen" target="_blank">https://lists.piratenpartij.nl/mailman/listinfo/algemeen</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Roberto Moretti<br><br>PPNL Member & Indie Games Developer.<br>@robskemoretti<br>
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