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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ik heb mij in mijn laatste bericht idd
      gemist. Ik wou zeggen dat de synthetische diesel, waarvan eerder
      sprake, op een gelijkaardige manier dan men dat nu met biodiesel
      doet in het huidige systeem kan integreren. Dus zonder grote
      schokken voor bepaalde sectoren en landen. (De geopolitieke
      spanningen waar sommigen steeds zo'n angst voor hebben)<br>
      <br>
      Ik ben in elk geval geen voorstander van biodiesel uit daarvoor
      gekweekte organismen. Er is nu reeds voedselschaarste op aarde dus
      landbouwgrond moet voor voedselproductie ingeschakeld worden. Uit
      recyclage van frituurvet en dergelijk kan het wel een zekere
      toekomst hebben.<br>
      <br>
      Koen<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Op 08-11-12 11:28, Robbie Hontelé schreef:<br>
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cite="mid:CAKvaJ7Xfe5g17SQ5VsvJjGOMRn2dBf=Yryn2Q1vgmMPYpkgABg@mail.gmail.com"
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      <p>Excuses, ik reageer vanaf mijn gsm.</p>
      <p>Het grootste probleem met de interne verbrandingsmotor is de
        inefficientie van de omzetting. Het maken van biodiesel is daar
        geen oplossing voor. Hoewel dat wel de oliewereld in balans kan
        houden ;)</p>
      <p>Groeten,</p>
      <p>Robbie</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 8, 2012 11:19 AM, "Koen De Voegt"
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          href="mailto:koen.devoegt@antwerpsepiraten.be" target="_blank">koen.devoegt@antwerpsepiraten.be</a>>
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            <div>Inderdaad. Waarschijnlijk is het dan zelfs mogelijk om
              dat te doen zonder dat de consument er iets van merkt. Men
              kan mengbrandstoffen gebruiken zoals men ook met biodiesel
              al heeft aangetoond. Eigenlijk word de vraag dan hoe
              efficiënt de omzetting van waterstof en koolstofmonoxide
              naar biodiesel is.<br>
              <br>
              Koen<br>
              <br>
              Op 08-11-12 11:09, roberto aka robske schreef:<br>
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            <blockquote type="cite">Bedankt voor het hier ook posten van
              die link Koen :)
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              <div>Ik zie wel wat in het idee van Antior om van de
                stoffen die ermee gemaakt kunnen worden 'synthdiesel' te
                maken. Dan is er eigenlijk vrijwel geen ombouw van
                voertuigen of logistiek nodig.</div>
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              <div>-- Roberto<br>
                <br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/8 Koen De Voegt <span
                    dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:koen.devoegt@antwerpsepiraten.be"
                      target="_blank">koen.devoegt@antwerpsepiraten.be</a>></span><br>
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                      <div>De opslag van Waterstof is het grootste
                        probleem, niet de productie, het gebruik of
                        zelfs de explosiviteit van het goedje. Licht
                        omgebouwde tankers dat gaat echt niet werken.<br>
                        <br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_storage"
                          target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_storage</a><br>
                        <br>
                        Koen<br>
                        <br>
                        Op 08-11-12 10:44, roberto aka robske schreef:<br>
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                          <blockquote type="cite">Hmmm, dan had ik het
                            mis qua Rare Earth Metals.
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                            <div>Maar ik denk dat zelfs olieproducenten
                              hiervan goed kunnen profiteren. Bouw
                              gewoon een grote farm van dit rond de
                              evenaar of in een woestijn met een
                              waterbron niet al te ver weg, zet het om
                              in waterstof, en verscheep het dan in
                              licht omgebouwde tankers naar
                              Europa/USA/China/Etc. Dit zal denk ik veel
                              rendabeler zijn dan huidige technieken.
                              Alleen de overschakeling van de economie
                              gaat enorm veel kosten. Maar als dit
                              geleidelijk aan gebeurt, dus dat de
                              vervangende voertuigen door deze techniek
                              vervangen worden (en de oude techniek
                              langzaam uitgefaseerd wordt), kan denk ik
                              de impact op de economie flink beperkt
                              worden. En uiteindelijk zijn we dan zelfs
                              beter af (praktisch limietloze
                              brandstofproductie qua tijdsbestek tegen
                              lage kosten).<br>
                              <br>
                              <div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/7 Adriaan
                                Visser <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:adriaanharmenvisser@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank">adriaanharmenvisser@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                  style="margin:0 0 0
                                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                  solid;padding-left:1ex"> Interessant
                                  stukje. Ik moet je echter in je
                                  analyse teleur stellen: Cerium is wel
                                  degelijk een Rare Earth Metal. Het
                                  behoort tot de lanthaniden, die allen
                                  bij de REE horen; over Scandium en
                                  soms Yttrium wordt gediscussieerd of
                                  ze erbij horen. Het beste kan je de
                                  wikipediapagina over REE doorlezen,
                                  daar staat het meeste wel:
                                  <div> "<span
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif">Despite


                                      their name, rare earth elements
                                      (with the exception of the </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_decay"
                                      title="Radioactive decay"
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(11,0,128);font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none"
                                      target="_blank">radioactive</a><span
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif"></span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promethium"
                                      title="Promethium"
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(11,0,128);font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none"
                                      target="_blank">promethium</a><span
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif">)
                                      are </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_elements_in_Earth%27s_crust"
                                      title="Abundance of elements in
                                      Earth's crust"
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(11,0,128);font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none"
                                      target="_blank">relatively
                                      plentiful</a><span
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif"> in


                                      the </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crust_%28geology%29"
                                      title="Crust (geology)"
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(11,0,128);font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none"
                                      target="_blank">Earth's crust</a><span
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif">,
                                      with </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerium"
                                      title="Cerium"
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(11,0,128);font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none"
                                      target="_blank">cerium</a><span
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif"> being


                                      the 25th most abundant element at
                                      68 parts per million (similar to </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper"
                                      title="Copper"
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(11,0,128);font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none"
                                      target="_blank">copper</a><span
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif">).


                                      However, because of their
                                      geochemical properties, rare earth
                                      elements are typically dispersed
                                      and not often found concentrated
                                      as </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_earth_mineral"
                                      title="Rare earth mineral"
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(11,0,128);font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;text-decoration:none;background-image:none"
                                      target="_blank">rare earth
                                      minerals</a><span
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif"> in


                                      economically exploitable ore
                                      deposits</span><sup
                                      style="line-height:1em;font-family:sans-serif"><a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_earth_element#cite_note-Haxel02-2"
                                        style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;white-space:nowrap;background-repeat:initial
                                        initial" target="_blank">[3]</a></sup><span
style="line-height:19.200000762939453px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif">.</span>"</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Ik heb kort geleden een essay
                                    moeten schrijven over het Chinese
                                    export quota voor REE. Deze quota
                                    kunnen een reden zijn dat het nog
                                    niet massaal geproduceerd wordt.
                                    China, goed voor 97% van de
                                    wereldproductie REE, 130.000
                                    ton/jaar, heeft in 2011 besloten in
                                    zijn 5 jaren plan elk jaar de export
                                    30% te verminderen, tot ongeveer
                                    35.000 ton in 2015.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Het is me nog niet helemaal
                                    duidelijk hoe het werkelijke proces
                                    in zijn werk gaat, maar het lijkt
                                    een interessant gebied voor energie
                                    opslag.</div>
                                  <span><font color="#888888">
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Adriaan</div>
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                                          <div>2012/11/7 roberto aka
                                            robske <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                                Article: <a
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                                                gelezen. Ik vroeg me af
                                                of iemand hier iets meer
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                                                of het misschien voor de
                                                Piratenpartij
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                                                (gezien ook het stuk
                                                over kernenergie). Laten
                                                we even meningen
                                                verzamelen, en gezien
                                                dat die hier op Algemeen
                                                gearchiveerd worden, kan
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