Nadeel: het kost geld<div>Voordeel: het 'bestuur' en de leden zijn niet hoofdelijk aansprakelijk. Al heb ik nog niet kunnen verzinnen wanneer dat een issue kan zijn.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Op 19 september 2012 15:43 schreef Gijs <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gijsje@heteigenwijsje.nl" target="_blank">gijsje@heteigenwijsje.nl</a>></span> het volgende:<br>

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    <div>Wat voor mij dan vooral belangrijk
      wordt is de vraag wat zijn de voor en nadelen van een
      geformaliseerde lokale vereniging ?<br>
      <br>
      Als het echt nodig is of belangrijk voor verkiezingen zouden we
      het sowieso kunnen uitstellen tot 2014 , dan zijn er lokale
      verkiezingen en kunnen we dus sowieso de animo peilen en kijken of
      een lokale afdeling inderdaad actief genoeg is om vanuit landelijk
      evt. support te krijgen.<div><div class="h5"><br>
      <br>
      On 19-09-12 15:38, Steven Russchenberg wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite">Om nog even in te haken op de laatste opmerking van
      Lucifer:
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      <div>Het oprichten van een formele vereniging kost inderdaad geld.
        Ik geloof zo'n 400-500 euro en vervolgens 50-100 euro per jaar.</div>
      <div>Dit zou m.i. betaald moeten worden vanuit de landelijke
        partij. Daar betalen we tenslotte contributie aan. Nu is de
        vraag of de partij dit financieel wel kan ondersteunen vanuit de
        huidige contributies. Krijgt de partij volgend jaar trouwens
        subsidie? Dat maakt natuurlijk meer mogelijk.</div>
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      <div>Groet,</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Steven<br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">Op 19 september 2012 15:14 schreef
          Rodger van Doorn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rodgervandoorn@gmail.com" target="_blank">rodgervandoorn@gmail.com</a>></span>
          het volgende:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Juist,
            dankjewel Steven. Natuurlijk is uiteindelijk een formele
            vereniging gewenst, dan moet je ook statuten neerleggen in
            een notariele akte etc. 
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              <br>
            </div>
            <div>Wat betreft de lidmaatschap is het niet wenselijk om
              leden lid te laten worden alleen van de locale afdeling
              omdat subsidies afhankelijk zijn van het ledental van de
              landelijke vereniging. </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>De statuten bevatten trouwens enige houvast voor hoe
              het geregeld kan worden:</div>
            <div><span>DE AFDELINGEN</span><br>
              <span>Artikel 15.</span><br>
              <span>De partij
                kent afdelingen.</span><br>
              <span>1. Een
                afdeling bestaat uit leden die in het gebied van de
                afdeling wonen of die door een schriftelijk besluit van
                het partijbestuur bij die afdeling zijn ingedeeld.</span><br>
              <span>2. De
                oprichting van een afdeling behoeft toestemming van het
                partijbestuur.</span><br>
              <span>3. Een
                afdelingsbestuur bestaat uit ten minste drie leden,
                waaronder een voorzitter, een secretaris en een
                penningmeester, allen in functie te kiezen door de leden
                van de afdeling.</span><br>
              <span>4. Voor zover
                in de statuten of het huishoudelijk reglement niet
                uitdrukkelijk anders is bepaald, is het afdelingsbestuur
                verantwoordelijk voor de taken van de afdeling.</span><br>
              <span>5. De interne
                organisatie en de taken van een afdeling worden nader
                geregeld in het huishoudelijk reglement.</span><br>
              <span>6. Afdelingen
                kunnen deel zijn van een grotere afdeling of bestaan uit
                verschillende kleinere afdelingen.</span><br>
              <span>7. Bij
                huishoudelijk reglement kunnen nadere regels aangaande
                afdelingen worden opgenomen.</span> <br>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">Op 19 september 2012 14:52
                schreef Steven Russchenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steven.russchenberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">steven.russchenberg@gmail.com</a>></span>
                het volgende:
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                  <div><br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Het
                      lidmaatschap kan op verschillende manieren
                      ingevuld worden:
                      <div>1. Iemand die lid wordt van de PP (landelijk)
                        wordt automatisch lid van de lokale afdeling. De
                        secretaris stuurt de gegevens dan door naar het
                        bestuur van de lokale afdeling.</div>
                      <div>2. Een nieuw lid krijgt informatie over de
                        lokale afdeling maar kan zelf kiezen of hij daar
                        lid van wordt.</div>
                      <div>3. Is het zelfde als optie 1 maar nu kan je
                        lid worden van de lokale piraten zonder lid te
                        zijn van de landelijke partij.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Ik denk dat zodra er een kas is, een goed
                        functionerend bestuur en ambities om lokale
                        politiek te bedrijven, een formele vereniging
                        het meest wenselijk is.</div>
                      <div><br>
                        <br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">Op 19 september 2012
                          14:31 schreef Rodger van Doorn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rodgervandoorn@gmail.com" target="_blank">rodgervandoorn@gmail.com</a>></span>
                          het volgende:
                          <div>
                            <div><br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">We hebben
                                in Friesland (als ik het me goed
                                herinner) al een lokale afdeling met
                                eigen bestuur. In Amsterdam zijn we er
                                ook mee bezig. Je kan sowieso een
                                informele verveniging oprichten. Het
                                enige dat je daarvoor hoeft te doen is
                                drie piraten aanwijzen als bestuur. Je
                                mag dan geen kas en je bent hoofdelijk
                                aansprakelijk voor de acties van de
                                vereniging. 
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                                  <br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Verder moeten we even uitzoeken hoe
                                  het werkt met leden. Ik kan me zo
                                  voorstellen dat je wel ergens wil
                                  aangeven via welke afdeling je lid
                                  bent maar dat je wel gewoon van de
                                  landelijke partij lid bent. We zouden
                                  voor de grap CDA of VVD even moeten
                                  bellen hoe dat bij hun geregeld is.
                                  Tenzij iemand hier mijn grijze vlekken
                                  kan invullen.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Groet Rodger<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">Op 19
                                    september 2012 14:03 schreef Biervat
                                    <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piraatraymond@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatraymond@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                    het volgende:
                                    <div>
                                      <div><br>
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                                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                                            <div>mij lijkt me nu iedere
                                              week een meeting wat
                                              teveel, den haag blijft
                                              even op iedere 2 weken
                                              staan, maar dat lijkt me
                                              vrij onhoudbaar als hier
                                              ook leiden bij kom, ik zou
                                              zeggen 2e vrijdag vd maand
                                              den haag, 4e leiden,
                                              zoiets, is dit wat jullie
                                              zoeken?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              ik moet zorgen dat data
                                              niet clashen met
                                              buursteden, dat is mn taak
                                              ;)<br>
                                              <br>
                                              grt, Raymond
                                              <div><br>
                                                <pre cols="72">Raymond van Vugt - Piratenpartij Eindhoven/Ledenraad/Kroegcommissie.</pre>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div> On 19-9-2012
                                                  13:12, Joeri Oudshoorn
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <blockquote type="cite">Na
                                                  de ALV hebben we met
                                                  een paar piraten uit
                                                  Den Haag en Leiden al
                                                  even over een lokale
                                                  afdeling
                                                  gebrainstormd. Op dit
                                                  moment komen een
                                                  aantal piraten uit
                                                  Leiden al naar de
                                                  kroegmeetings in Den
                                                  Haag. Het idee is om
                                                  dit ook andersom te
                                                  gaan regelen. Dus de
                                                  ene vrijdag in Den
                                                  Haag een kroegmeeting,
                                                  de volgende vrijdag in
                                                  Leiden.
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Aanstaande
                                                    vrijdag om 20.30 uur
                                                    komen we in Den Haag
                                                    bij elkaar (Cafe van
                                                    Delden, Noordeinde
                                                    Den Haag, waar ook
                                                    ons verkiezingsfeest
                                                    was). Daar zullen we
                                                    het er weer over
                                                    hebben.</div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Groet, Joeri<br>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>Op 19 sep
                                                          2012, om 13:06
                                                          heeft Marco
                                                          van der Linden
                                                          het volgende
                                                          geschreven:</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Ik als
                                                          Leidenaar ben
                                                          ook geďnteresseerd om
                                                          hier bij te
                                                          helpen.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">2012/9/18
                                                          Biervat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piraatraymond@gmail.com" target="_blank">piraatraymond@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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                                                          <div>ik zou
                                                          graag zsm
                                                          betreffende
                                                          leiden een
                                                          datum horen
                                                          wanneer jullie
                                                          jullie eerste
                                                          bijeenkomst
                                                          zullen houden
                                                          :)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          grt, Ray<br>
                                                          <pre cols="72">Raymond van Vugt - Piratenpartij Eindhoven/Ledenraad/Kroegcommissie.</pre>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div> On
                                                          16-9-2012
                                                          21:49, Steven
                                                          Russchenberg
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>Beste
                                                          Piraten,
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Ik speel
                                                          al enkele
                                                          dagen met het
                                                          idee om een
                                                          lokale
                                                          afdeling op te
                                                          richten. Deze
                                                          afdeling kan
                                                          leden bij
                                                          elkaar brengen
                                                          en een
                                                          continue
                                                          campagne
                                                          verzorgen. De
                                                          kieskring is
                                                          daarvoor te
                                                          groot.</div>
                                                          <div> Ik woon
                                                          in een
                                                          buurgemeente
                                                          van Leiden
                                                          maar het lijkt
                                                          mij nog niet
                                                          zinvol om in
                                                          mijn gemeente
                                                          een afdeling
                                                          te starten.
                                                          Een afdeling
                                                          Leiden e.o.
                                                          (bijvoorbeeld
                                                          de
                                                          bollenstreek,
                                                          Leidse regio
                                                          en de Rijn- en
                                                          veenstreek)
                                                          kan leden die
                                                          redelijk dicht
                                                          bij elkaar
                                                          wonen bij
                                                          elkaar brengen
                                                          om in hun
                                                          regio een
                                                          continue
                                                          campagne (ŕ la
                                                          SP) op touw te
                                                          zetten in hun
                                                          regio. Tevens
                                                          kunnen zij,
                                                          indien
                                                          gewenst,
                                                          meedoen aan
                                                          lokale
                                                          verkiezingen.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Zijn er
                                                          mensen die mee
                                                          willen denken
                                                          aan het
                                                          opzetten van
                                                          lokale
                                                          afdelingen?
                                                          Met name over
                                                          de juiste
                                                          aanpak en hoe
                                                          dit binnen de
                                                          huidige
                                                          statuten
                                                          mogelijk is.
                                                          Of zijn hier
                                                          al ideeën
                                                          over? Is een
                                                          lokale
                                                          afdeling een
                                                          aparte
                                                          vereniging of
                                                          gewoon een
                                                          georganiseerde
                                                          groep leden
                                                          binnen het
                                                          grotere
                                                          geheel? </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Ik hoop
                                                          dat dit jaar
                                                          nog de
                                                          afdeling
                                                          Leiden (e.o)
                                                          opgericht kan
                                                          worden en ik
                                                          wil mij daar
                                                          voor de volle
                                                          100% voor
                                                          inzetten.</div>
                                                          <div>Wie helpt
                                                          mee?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Groet,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Steven
                                                          Russchenberg</div>
                                                          <br>
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