<div class="gmail_extra">Zo ver ik weet mogen Nederlandse partijen donaties ontvangen uit het buitenland. Zolang het maar transparant is.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Op 24 april 2012 09:55 schreef Antior <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:antior@piratenpartij.nl" target="_blank">antior@piratenpartij.nl</a>></span> het volgende:<br>
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    Geldt dat ook voor donaties tussen piratenpartijen onderling? Ik
    bedoel, het is volledig logisch dat de Piratenpartei en wij
    overeenkomstige belangen hebben.<br>
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    - Antior<br>
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    Op 24-4-2012 9:32, Gijs Overvliet schreef:
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      <div class="gmail_extra">Beste Justus,<br>
        <br>
        Ten eerste, goed om te zien dat je mee wil helpen om ook onze
        landelijke verkiezing een succes te maken.<br>
        Politieke donaties vanuit het buitenland zijn doorgaans geen
        goed idee, vanwege de schijn van belangenverstrengeling.
        Waarschijnlijk is het een beter idee om deze donaties via een
        Nederlander te laten lopen (dat wil zeggen, jullie sturen geld
        naar een Nederlandse piraat, deze doneert het vervolgens aan de
        partij)<br>
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        Gijs<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Op 24 april 2012 01:43 schreef Justus
          Römeth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de" target="_blank">squig@dfpx.de</a>></span>
          het volgende:<br>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">Nog iets: Wat denken jullie
                  erover om (een deel van) de 10 000€ te crowdsourcen?
                  Of zal het tegenvallen voor een Nederlandse partij om
                  zich deels met donaties vanuit Duitsland te
                  financieren? Mijn Twitterwall blijkt er wel
                  enthousiast over te zijn (en dat om half twee
                  s'nachts).</div>
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                <div class="gmail_extra">(Ik weet dat dit bvb in
                  Griekenland niet mag, de Grieksen piraten moeten al
                  hun geld van Grieken krijgen).
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                        2012/4/24 Justus Römeth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de" target="_blank">squig@dfpx.de</a>></span><br>
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                          <div class="gmail_extra">Hoi Samir, likewise!</div>
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                          <div class="gmail_extra">Aken is redelijk ver
                            weg voor mij (en ik kan in NDS gratis reizen
                            met OV, in NRW niet), maar het zal ook van
                            het datum afhankelijk zijn. Als jullie dat
                            weten schrijf het maar! Hebben jullie
                            regelmatige kroegmeetings in Groningen,
                            Zwolle, Hengelo of Enschede? Da's wat
                            makkelijker voor mij persoonlijk.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                <br>
                                -J</font></span>
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                                    <div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/24
                                      coretx <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:coretx@gmail.com" target="_blank">coretx@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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                                        <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Goed
                                          je te zien Justus!
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                                          <div>Er is goede coördinatie
                                            en samenwerking gaande met
                                            Piraten in Aachen.</div>
                                          <div>Binnenkort gaan we met ze
                                            verder babbelen.</div>
                                          <div>Dat is: Piraten van
                                            Limburg, en de Piraten in
                                            Aachen.</div>
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                                          <div>Je bent van harte welkom
                                            als je aan wil schuiven !</div>
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                                          <div>/Samir.</div>
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                                          <div>P.S</div>
                                          <div>Ik zal er slechts als
                                            ondersteuning zijn.</div>
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                                                  <div>On Apr 24, 2012,
                                                    at 12:57 AM, Justus
                                                    Römeth wrote:</div>
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                                                    <div class="gmail_extra">Hoi</div>
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                                                    <div class="gmail_extra">Duitse
                                                      Piraat hier. Ik
                                                      kom uit Hannover,
                                                      en ben op dit
                                                      moment bezig om te
                                                      kijken hoe wij
                                                      jullie kunnen
                                                      hulpen, maar dat
                                                      hangt ook ervan af
                                                      hoeveel help
                                                      vanuit Duitsland
                                                      jullie nuttig
                                                      achten (een grote
                                                      taal Duitse
                                                      Piraten op een
                                                      Infostand zullen
                                                      in Nederland bij
                                                      politieke topics
                                                      niet te populair
                                                      zijn denk ik). Iiv
                                                      kunnen wij flyers
                                                      van jullie printen
                                                      en op onze
                                                      infostanden
                                                      verdeelen en aan
                                                      Nederlandse
                                                      touristen geven,
                                                      dat kan ook snel
                                                      gebeuren denk ik.
                                                      Over 3 weken zijn
                                                      er verkiezingen
                                                      voor het
                                                      landsparlament van
                                                      Noordrijn-Westfalen,
                                                      ik hoop dat dat al
                                                      schillen zou
                                                      kunnen. Misschien
                                                      kunnen wij na de
                                                      verkiezingen in
                                                      NRW afspreken op
                                                      een kroegmeeting
                                                      vlakbij de grens,
                                                      ik denk ergens in
                                                      de buurt van
                                                      Munster, Enschede
                                                      of Osnabruck,
                                                      omdat deze steden
                                                      redelijk
                                                      berijkbaar zijn
                                                      voor mensen in
                                                      NRW, Nedersaksen,
                                                      Bremen en
                                                      Nederland. Ik ben
                                                      sowieso rond de
                                                      19e Mai in
                                                      Amsterdam omdat
                                                      mijn familie er op
                                                      vacantie wil gaan,
                                                      ik denk dat ik
                                                      zeker een avond
                                                      voor de Piraten op
                                                      de zijkant kan
                                                      zetten.</div>
                                                    <div class="gmail_extra">Anders
                                                      heb ik wel
                                                      kontakten naar de
                                                      leiding van de
                                                      piraten in NDS en
                                                      NRW en de
                                                      internationale
                                                      koördinateurs van
                                                      de bondspartij
                                                      (=nationale
                                                      partij), en zal
                                                      deze lijst
                                                      dagelijks lezen,
                                                      dus als er iets
                                                      aan de hand is
                                                      waar wij hulp
                                                      kunnen leveren zeg
                                                      het maar.</div>
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                                                    <div class="gmail_extra">Situatie
                                                      in D:</div>
                                                    <div class="gmail_extra">Behalve
                                                      de verkiezingen in
                                                      NRW zijn er
                                                      volgende weekend
                                                      ook verkiezingen
                                                      in
                                                      Schleswig-Holstein
                                                      (ten Noorden van
                                                      Hamburg), wij gaan
                                                      bij beide
                                                      verkiezingen ervan
                                                      uit dat we ruim
                                                      boven de
                                                      kiesdrempel van 5%
                                                      zallen liggen.
                                                       Als de FDP
                                                      (Duitse VVD) in
                                                      alletwee landen de
                                                      kiesdrempel niet
                                                      haalt zijn nieuwe
                                                      verkiezingen op de
                                                      nationale level
                                                      waarschijnlijk, en
                                                      er zijn een antaal
                                                      deelstaten waar de
                                                      regeringen er niet
                                                      goed uit zien. De
                                                      volgende regulaire
                                                      verkiezingen zijn
                                                      in Nedersaksen op
                                                      20 Januari 2013.</div>
                                                    <div class="gmail_extra">Wij
                                                      staan op dit
                                                      moment tussen 9 en
                                                      13% in de polls,
                                                      net zo groot als
                                                      de groenen, als
                                                      dit zo zal
                                                      gebeuren zouden
                                                      wij de
                                                      deerdgrootste
                                                      partij in
                                                      Duitsland zijn (ga
                                                      er maar van 5-8%
                                                      uit, alles boven
                                                      de 10 is heeel
                                                      optimistisch). Wij
                                                      zijn op dit moment
                                                      ook in alle
                                                      tv-shows.
                                                      tijdschriften en
                                                      kranten, maar
                                                      hebben vanaf
                                                      Donderdag een
                                                      grote shitstorm
                                                      van de media en
                                                      oude partijen (ik
                                                      denk dat komt wel
                                                      goed uiteindelijk,
                                                      maar het is niet
                                                      zo goed om in
                                                      Duitsland wat
                                                      dilletantisch over
                                                      nazidingen de
                                                      praten).</div>
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                                                    <div class="gmail_extra">Groetjes,
                                                      en succes!</div>
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                                                    <div class="gmail_extra">Justus<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      (Twitter:
                                                      @darthsquig Engels
                                                      blog: <a href="http://jroemeth.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">jroemeth.tumblr.com</a>)<br>
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                                                      <div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/23
                                                        nander_is_a_pirate
                                                        <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arr@nander.org" target="_blank">arr@nander.org</a>></span><br>
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                                                          Het is ook
                                                          redelijk
                                                          bekend dat
                                                          Duitsers
                                                          bijvoorbeeld
                                                          veel eerder op
                                                          de<br>
                                                          baricades
                                                          staan als er
                                                          gepraat wordt
                                                          over
                                                          privacy-inbreuken,
                                                          dat leeft<br>
                                                          daar veel
                                                          meer.
                                                          Nederlanders
                                                          laten het
                                                          allemaal maar
                                                          gebeuren,
                                                          makke<br>
                                                          schapen.. In
                                                          Duitsland
                                                          wordt
                                                          privacy-inbreuk
                                                          bijvoorbeeld
                                                          veel meer als<br>
                                                          een probleem
                                                          gezien dan in
                                                          Nederland.. En
                                                          als dat
                                                          probleem meer
                                                          erkend<br>
                                                          wordt wordt er
                                                          ook meer
                                                          geluisterd
                                                          naar mensen
                                                          die zeggen dat
                                                          probleem<br>
                                                          aan te pakken.<br>
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                                                          On Mon,
                                                          2012-04-23 at
                                                          19:34 +0200,
                                                          coretx wrote:<br>
                                                          > ><br>
                                                          > > Wat
                                                          in Duitsland
                                                          kan zou in
                                                          Nederland ook
                                                          moeten kunnen.
                                                          Anders<br>
                                                          > >
                                                          gezegd: wat
                                                          heeft de <a href="http://PP.de" target="_blank">PP.de</a> wat de <a href="http://PP.nl" target="_blank">PP.nl</a> nog niet heeft/doet? Wordt
                                                          er<br>
                                                          > > al
                                                          hulp/advies
                                                          gevraagd in
                                                          Duitsland en
                                                          Zweden of zijn
                                                          we daar te<br>
                                                          > >
                                                          eigenwijs
                                                          voor? ;-)<br>
                                                          > ><br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > Dat heet
                                                          een open deur
                                                          intrappen.<br>
                                                          > Dit doen
                                                          we al sinds
                                                          September
                                                          2006.<br>
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