*off-topic*<br>De PPI Mailinglist is niet bedoeld voor $random geneuzel.<br>Het trieste niveau van de lijst aldaar spreekt al boekdelen.<br>ppi general is oorspronkelijk bedoeld voor internationale coordinatie.<br>Maar is helaas een levende beerput.<br>
Nederland heeft een enigsinds goede reputatie, het zou mooi zijn als daar geen verandering in komt.<br>( Alhoewel het recente gedonder die reputatie al flink heeft geschaad. )<br>Nederland, net als andere PP's hebben niet voor niets PPI coordinatoren aangesteld.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/29 Mick van Rhee <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:micknator@gmail.com">micknator@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Gelijk heb je eigenlijk ook. Hoewel het uploaden op zich niet fout is<br>
(lijkt mij), maar het ligt eraan WAT je uploadt. Op TPB staat meer dan<br>
alleen illegale dingen. Zowiezo zijn er nog veel meer andere<br>
torrentsites. Als je eentje neerhaalt, komen er weer 10 voor in de<br>
plaats. Het heeft gewoon geen zin ... En in deze tijden (lees: crisis)<br>
kunnen ze het beter ook laten rusten. Het kost ze alleen maar bakken<br>
met geld en wat levert het ze op? 1 torrentsite minder (misschien) ...<br>
Geldt eigenlijk ook voor al die andere anti-piraterij dingen (Bijv.<br>
ACTA).<br>
<br>
Arrr,<br>
Mick<br>
<br>
Op 29 november 2010 16:44 heeft Gerbrand van den Eeckhout<br>
<<a href="mailto:gha.vandeneeckhout@gmail.com">gha.vandeneeckhout@gmail.com</a>> het volgende geschreven:<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">>> * On a technical and legal point of view, the decision is unfair<br>
>> because The Pirate Bay is nothing but an index, which links to resources<br>
>> that already exist online. This decision amounts to condemning a library<br>
>> catalog instead of the author of some infringing content or activity.<br>
><br>
> Dat begint toch een probleem te worden IMHO. Enerzijds zijn we tegen deep<br>
> packet inspection om bij alle mensen te gaan screenen of ze uploaden, (en<br>
> stellen we dat de kleine man er niets aan kan doen) anderzijds zijn we ook<br>
> tegen het neerhalen van grote site's, met als reden "dat is niet de schuld<br>
> van de grote sites, maar van de kleine mensen die het uploaden". Natuurlijk<br>
> weet ik ook wel waarom we dit zeggen, maar het is nogal doorspekt van<br>
> eigenbelang met een sausje politieke correctheid. En op die manier beginnen<br>
> we een beetje zoals Timmy te denken.<br>
><br>
> // Gerbrand van den Eeckhout //<br>
> // <a href="http://www.ivstudios.nl" target="_blank">www.ivstudios.nl</a> //<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2010/11/29 roberto aka robske <<a href="mailto:evilteddyxl@gmail.com">evilteddyxl@gmail.com</a>><br>
>><br>
>> Misschien handig voor ons ook om een discussie over te starten?<br>
>><br>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>> From: lilo <<a href="mailto:al3lilo@autistici.org">al3lilo@autistici.org</a>><br>
>> Date: 2010/11/29<br>
>> Subject: [pp.int.general] [opennetcoalition] The Pirate Bay Decision, or<br>
>> the Political Persecution of Sharing<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:Partito@roberts.piratpartiet.se">Partito@roberts.piratpartiet.se</a>, "Pirata@roberts.piratpartiet.se:Open<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:open@ml.partito-pirata.it">open@ml.partito-pirata.it</a>>, Pirate Parties International -- General Talk"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>> La Quadrature du Net - For immediate release<br>
>><br>
>> Permanent link:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.laquadrature.net/en/the-pirate-bay-decision-or-the-political-persecution-of-sharing" target="_blank">http://www.laquadrature.net/en/the-pirate-bay-decision-or-the-political-persecution-of-sharing</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The Pirate Bay Decision, or the Political Persecution of Sharing<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> *** The Internet, November 27th 2010 - The decision to sentence the<br>
>> co-founders of The Pirate Bay to jail is both absurd and unfair. It<br>
>> illustrates how an obsolete copyright law and its indiscrimate<br>
>> application are harmful to society as a whole. Such an incomprehension<br>
>> of technological, economic and social realities should not mask the fact<br>
>> that this decision is above all political. ***<br>
>><br>
>> Citizens who care about the Internet and digital technologies are<br>
>> startled by the decision of the Appeal court of Svea to confirm<br>
>> (reduced) jail sentences of F. Neij, P. Sunde and C. Lundström, founders<br>
>> of the Pirate Bay. The court has also upheld huge fines and increased<br>
>> damages to the music firms that sued them.<br>
>><br>
>> * On a technical and legal point of view, the decision is unfair<br>
>> because The Pirate Bay is nothing but an index, which links to resources<br>
>> that already exist online. This decision amounts to condemning a library<br>
>> catalog instead of the author of some infringing content or activity.<br>
>><br>
>> * On a philosophical point of view, this decision is unfair because it<br>
>> tends to condemn the act of sharing. Sharing is good and legitimate.<br>
>> Culture only exists because it is shared. The problem is that today's<br>
>> copyright laws and their implementation are obsolete. They are<br>
>> fundamentally at odds with the new uses that create and disseminate<br>
>> today's and tomorrow's culture.<br>
>><br>
>> * On a political point of view, the decision is revolting. It is a<br>
>> statement to convince people that sharing is bad for creators, when it<br>
>> has a proven positive effect on cultural diversity, revenues from<br>
>> concerts and other activities and no proven negative effect on sales of<br>
>> music or other media [1]. This decision will become the emblem of the<br>
>> imperious necessity to adapt copyright to reality instead of trying to<br>
>> change reality so it fits copyright interests. [2]<br>
>><br>
>> "The Pirate Bay founders can probably challenge this decision, and take<br>
>> this case to a higher court, and we hope that justice will be<br>
>> restablished soon. We are convinced that in a few years time, this<br>
>> decision will appear to everyone as reminiscent of a decaying system,<br>
>> keen on scoring a few last hits before the advent of an inevitable<br>
>> change." conclude together Jérémie Zimmermann and Philippe Aigrain,<br>
>> co-founders of La Quadrature du Net.<br>
>><br>
>> Courage, Peter, Fredrik, and Carl!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> * Références *<br>
>><br>
>> 1. See <a href="http://lqdn.fr/wiki/Documents" target="_blank">http://lqdn.fr/wiki/Documents</a><br>
>><br>
>> 2. Commissioner Kroes recently declared at the Forum of Cultures: "In<br>
>> some sectors, the levels of piracy demand that we ask ourselves what are<br>
>> we doing wrong. We must ensure that copyright serves as a building<br>
>> block, not a stumbling block."<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ** About la Quadrature du Net **<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> La Quadrature du Net is an advocacy group that promotes the rights and<br>
>> freedoms of citizens on the Internet. More specifically, it advocates<br>
>> for the adaptation of French and European legislations to respect the<br>
>> founding principles of the Internet, most notably the free circulation<br>
>> of knowledge.<br>
>><br>
>> In addition to its advocacy work, the group also aims to foster a better<br>
>> understanding of legislative processes among citizens. Through specific<br>
>> and pertinent information and tools, La Quadrature du Net hopes to<br>
>> encourage citizens' participation in the public debate on rights and<br>
>> freedoms in the digital age.<br>
>><br>
>> La Quadrature du Net is supported by French, European and international<br>
>> NGOs including the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Open Society<br>
>> Institute and Privacy International.<br>
>><br>
>> List of supporting organisations :<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.laquadrature.net/en/they-support-squaring-net-la-quadrature-du-net" target="_blank">http://www.laquadrature.net/en/they-support-squaring-net-la-quadrature-du-net</a><br>
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>> - --<br>
>> ~lilo~<br>
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