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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">If PPNL is a serious
endeavour, it shoud have an answer why it is needed at all, in addition to Groen
Links already supporting PP views. It is never wise to "aim at competition" and
to disparage Groen Links, but if the question is asked, there must be a
"positioning" answer (preferably building on our own strength rather than a
an alleged GL weakness)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face="Comic Sans MS">reinier</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=lordalderaan@gmail.com href="mailto:lordalderaan@gmail.com">Lord
Alderaan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl
href="mailto:algemeen@lists.piratenpartij.nl">Algemeen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Algemeen] Ontwerp
verkiezingsprogramma Groenlinks</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>The fact that PPNL is forcing parties like GL to take a public
stance on this matter is a good thing in my opinion. Because the result is
more attention for 'internet rights'. And even vague promises are better then
nothing at all :-)<BR><BR>In any case, for the PPNL to keep voters from
switching to GL is to emphasize our strong points:<BR><BR><B>First:</B> GL
<I>(and any other party that comes out with pro digital rights stance)</I> is
surely prepared to throw away our digital rights in coalition talks since it
isn't a main priority and neither related to their ideology. They are also
susceptible to lobbying by the industry especially after the elections.
Meanwhile the PPNL specifically has these rights as their main and (basically)
only priority.<BR><BR><B>Second:</B> Unlike other parties <I></I>the
PPNL <I></I>will bring vital expertise <I>(both from within the PPNL and
from the association with PPI)</I> on digital rights into the House of
Representative. GL and other parties might have a statement on the matter but
they won't have the same knowledge and expertise. This means they won't be
able to utter the same quality of criticism (when in the opposition) or make
balanced and fair laws (when in the coalition).<BR><BR>Of course the PPNL
needs a lot more exposure to actually get voters in the first place
:P<BR><BR>--Tjores Maes<BR><BR><B></B><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 23 March 2010 14:40, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:coretx@piratenpartij.nl">coretx@piratenpartij.nl</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote><BR>The good influence of Christian Engstrom on the
greens/efa group points out<BR>why pirates are needed.<BR>Even today, people
like for example Erik Joseffson ( greens/pirates<BR>coordinator )are putting
up a big fight among the greens for waking them<BR>up.<BR>Yesterday, he even
asked *me* to help setup a anti ACTA campaign among the<BR>greens, he is
lobbying the greens to no avail. The greens are not<BR>interested !<BR>This
while PPI is behind <A href="http://stop-acta.info"
target=_blank>stop-acta.info</A> and work on this started way
back.<BR>Considering the current work on for example the "internet of
things" within<BR>europarl. GL communicating "internet freedom", instead of
the bigger<BR>pictures points out that they lack vision and strategy for the
future.Or<BR>have a different set of priorities. Reinier is right. Gl is
being a<BR>populist right now.<BR>Especially considering that MEP Sargentini
is mobilising and preparing a<BR>assault on the dutch Pirate
Party.<BR><BR>The dutch pirate party is not picking friends or foes.<BR>We
are targeting our objectives, and preparing to retaliate when
under<BR>attack by other political parties.<BR>We are not a standard
"political party" per se. We exploit the system.<BR><BR>If we want to
obliterate GL, what we do not want.<BR>We do have 100% support from the .SE
MEP's<BR><BR>Let me quote Christian Engstrom: "Go kill them" - "Everything
for the<BR>votes, this is election time and everybody understands this."<BR>
<DIV class=im><BR>On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:11:39 +0100, Arjen Kamphuis <<A
href="mailto:arjen@gendo.nl">arjen@gendo.nl</A>> wrote:<BR>> On 23 mrt
2010, at 13:44, Nicolas Sahlqvist wrote:<BR>>> In the beginning they
try to ignore you, they tried the same thing<BR>>> in Sweden in 2k6.
It is a lot harder for GroenLinks considering they<BR>>> lean on CE
from PPSE so how long can they uphold the charade, I<BR>>> assume you
got some plans to counter attack? ;)<BR>><BR>> I don't think attacking
the one *established and experienced*<BR>> political party that actually
agrees with you most of the time is a<BR>> good strategy. Especially
since they may very well be the *only* party<BR>> in parliament to
support our views.<BR>><BR>> Proper friend-foe identification is an
important step towards<BR>> effective political action, especially for
small parties without much<BR>> resources or experience in the 3D-chess
match that is parliamentary<BR>> politics.<BR></DIV>
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